This is the first sit down, person to person, Question and Answer interview, that I, Peter Mack, am having with TenantX. There may be more Q&A interviews to come.
PM: So how’s it going?
TX: Not good. I had some photos of two thieves I captured on camera that I couldn’t find. I was just lookin for them. I wanted you to post them on your blog. I just got done lookin for them but I couldn’t find them. I got one more place to look. When I find them I’ll let you post them – but that’s if I find them. I am very, very disappointed that I couldn’t find them. I hope they’re around somewhere.
PM: So are the pictures just like the ones I posted where it shows a strange man breaking into your neighbors gray/silver car? And that would be the pictures in the post titled “Potential Bad Guy Caught on Camera at TenantX’s Apartment Complex.”
TX: No, they’re different, much different.
PM: How so?
TX: First of all both incidents involved a certain amount of risk for me. The one involving my neighbor’s car involved a significant amount of risk. The one involving the car cover involved a little less risk.
PM: Car cover?
TX: Yeah I’ll get to that in a bit. But first I want to point out that the photos seen in the post titled “Potential Bad Guy Caught on Camera at TenantX’s Apartment Complex” were taken from my patio balcony. The potential bad buy saw me taking pictures of him. And that’s no good, that’s where the risk comes in, the moment he spotted me with camera in hand he knew where I lived. Although you blocked his face out with Photoshop you can see in a couple of those pics where he actually stops searching around the inside of my neighbor’s car and then starts to focus on me.
PM: And so where does the risk factor come in?
TX: In the form of retaliation. When you’re in a scenario like that there’s a chance the bad guy might come back later to retaliate. Now if I was taking pictures from the 14th level of a 20 story building, there’s much less risk. But I live close to the ground.
PM: So why’d you take the risk?
TX: Several reasons. For one, at the time it felt like the right thing to do. Two, I wanted to help a fellow tenant in the event something bad happened to her car. At the moment of discovery I had no idea if he was trying to hot wire her car in order to steal it. Or if he was trying to steal a stereo or what. Three, I once heard a cop say “During the event of a crime you, the average citizen, need to be the best witness you can be!” Makes sense to me, I firmly believe that motto. So I decided to get my digital camera and start shooting. And four, I kinda feel like it’s a civic duty. I feel that particular incident was just a little Neighborhood Watch effort on my part. I had less riskier alternatives though.
PM: What alternatives?
TX: I coulda played it safer. Much safer. He was at ground level. I was on my second story patio balcony. I coulda not used the camera. I coulda bent down low, kept my body low and out of sight, noted his physical appearance and then called the cops. Which is what I basically did the second I spotted him. I noted his appearance and then went back inside my apartment to call the cops. It was after I called the cops that I went back outside on to the patio balocony to capture him with a still camera.
PM: Events like that happen fast, lightening fast. Any regrets? Anything you learned from that experience?
TX: No regrets. The guy, the perp, the POI (person of interest), or whatever you want to call him never came back around. And I never saw him again anywhere in the community. But here’s the deal: If I had a kid, like a son or a daughter, I’m not so sure that I’d want them to do what I did, I mean, unless they live up high say like on the 10th level of a tall apartment building. When you involve yourself in an event like that the way I did you don’t know if the POI is a gang member or what. Then again everything ain’t relative when it comes to the advice a parent gives to their kids in a Neighborhood Watch matter. If your son or daughter has a cabinet full of rifles and shotguns and a Kevlar vest hanging in the closet the way a Green Beret or street cop might have well then that’s different. But if all they have are a few tennis rackets and Super Soaker water guns in the cabinet…
PM: And so is it safe to say that you weren’t wearing a Kevlar vest when you grabbed your camera and started shooting pics of him?
TX: That is correct. And if he had come back at a later point in time to retaliate I would not have been able to put a Kevlar on cause I don’t own one.
PM: You made some good points with your reference to the advice a caring parent should give to a son or daughter as it relates to home security and the Neighborhood Watch concept. The Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman case sorta reinforces that point.
TX: Yes the Martin / Zimmerman case is an interesting one. I’ll note that George Zimmerman appeared to be working as some sort of roving, on guard, on duty Neighborhood Watch volunteer who was armed with a gun. I don’t know all the facts of the case, but Zimmerman appeared to be like a Guardian Angel in that he was “on duty” the way a Guardian Angel would be. Of course the Guardian Angels are unarmed.
PM: Let’s get back on track as it relates to your neighbors car… I’ve seen the photos of his face before I blocked his face out with Photoshop, and that would be the two pics where he stops searching around the inside of your neighbor’s car and looks right up at you. He even leans out of the car to get a better look at you. Did he say anything to you at that moment?
TX: No comment… for now.
PM: What was the POI doing while you were shooting?
TX: He was lookin all around the inside of the car – in the front and the back – under the seat – under the dash. It was like he was lookin for something.
PM: How close, physically close, were you to the POI?
TX: Like I said, he was at ground level and I was on the second level. But distance-wise, maybe 30, 40 feet away from each other, not far.
PM: Moving on…so what photos did you have that you wanted me to post to my blog but couldn’t find? You said something about a car cover…
TX: I once had an old Mustang with two car covers, one cover was silver the other one was light tan. I had the silver one on and one morning I went out to my car and it, the silver car cover, was gone. My car was parked on Diamond or Emerald Street that day, ’bout two blocks from where we live on Felspar Street.
PM: So what happened next?
TX: Well it wasn’t windy so I knew it hadn’t blown off. We get little ‘wind storms’ every so often. The wind will whip out to like, I don’t know, maybe 5, 10 or 15 miles an hour or something like that. But not that day, there was no wind that day. Plus I had a cable with a lock on it so it was obvious that someone cut the cable and made off with it. A hunch came to me…I made a bee-line over to the church, St. Brigid’s Church over on Cass Street, that was the first thing that came to mind.
PM: The church? Why’d you decide to go there of all places?
TX: I don’t know for sure, but it was the first thing that popped into my head: Go to St. Bridgid’s Church! When I got there I saw two homeless men outside of the church. And they had my car cover in their possession. I just had a feeling that maybe, just maybe, a homeless person made off with it. Then again my car was parked right near the church so that too made me think it’d be wise to walk over to the church to scout the premises.
PM: So what did you do when you saw them with your car cover?
TX: Went to a pay phone and called the cops. And one cop who rides alone showed up.
PM: Do you know his name?
TX: I’d seen him around many times, back then he was a Northern Division regular, I guess, which means Pacific Beach was his beat. But I haven’t seen him in many years. Maybe he’s a detective now? I don’t know. He was tall, like 6’2″, lean, about 180lbs, maybe in his 50’s. He kinda looked a little like an old television actor from the 60’s, an actor by the name of Dennis Weaver. I think he (the cop) had a mustache and I’m pretty sure he was wearing eyeglasses at the time.
PM: I remember Dennis Weaver. Now what about the photos you took? Where do they come into this story?
TX: I got my car cover back and I went about my business that day. The next day I was on my bike and I crossed paths with the two of ’em. I mean I turned a corner and there they were, it was a chance meeting. We didn’t say anything we just glanced at each other and I went on about my business. But then an idea came to me…I got to thinkin…I made a bee-line to the drug store. Something inside of me said “Go buy a camera at Long’s Drugstore and then go take pictures of them.”
PM: Long’s Drugstore?
TX: Yeah on Mission Boulevard it’s where CVS is now.
PM: Okay, right, but why take pictures of them? What was the point of doing that? The cop, the one who looked like Dennis Weaver, the same one who used to patrol your neighborhood already had identified them, so it wasn’t like you needed to show some pictures of them to the police.
TX: Well, first of all, if I remember correctly, I think the cop said that one or both men had a criminal record or history or something like that. So yeah, the cop ran a background check on them when we were at the church. And I must say…there’s one thing I’m leaving out of this story and it’s because it’s none of anyone’s business. I’ll just say this: When I observed the officer dealing with the two men he did so in kind of a way that a father deals with two little boys who are acting bad and I’ll leave it at that.
PM: Right, I get it, I think. Okay, back to the photos, why did you take them and what for?
TX: This all happened around ’97 or ’98, I think. Then again maybe it was 2000 or 2001. Way before digital cameras came out on the market. I had no interest in street photography like I kinda do now. You and I knew each other back then.
PM: Yep, we sure did.
TX: And it was long before you became computer literate. Meaning, you had yet to learn how to use a computer, meaning, you didn’t have a copy machine like you do now. So what I was gonna do, the reason I took pictures of the two men: I was going to blow the pictures up at Kinko’s and post them on 4 or 5 telephone poles located around the Felspar Street area. (Note: FedEx bought Kinko’s out.)
TX: When I saw them the next day I was annoyed. Just annoyed. There they were… walking around scopin’ out the neighborhood and that annoyed me. I have no problem with homeless people. But if they rip me off or rip someone I know off then that’s a concern. At the time my thinking was that if they saw their pictures on a telephone pole then maybe that would get them to leave the Garnet/Felspar Street area.
PM: Post their pictures on telephone poles?
TX: Yeah telephone poles, street light poles, whatever. I figure it would put a little heat on them knowing that the community was aware, that the community was, figuratively speaking, watching them. Of course I was going to tack a text message to the picture, a message stating that these two guys had stolen something from a member of the immediate community and that YOU might be next. I remember at the time thinking ‘Well now I gotta go buy a staple gun.’ A staple gun that I figured I was gonna use maybe only 5 or 6 times maybe more if they needed to be reposted due to rain, wind, or someone tearing the posts down. I had never owned a staple gun let alone used one. At the time I wondered if there were different sized staples to pick from. I wondered if the staple gun I was about to purchase would do the job. Then again some of the poles in my neighborhood are made out of metal so that would have required a different method of attachment. For about 2 or 3 days I on occasion thought all about staple guns.
PM: Do you remember where you saw the two men the second time after you found them in possession of your car cover?
TX: Not exactly, but I think it was near St. Brigid’s Church again, right around Emerald or Diamond Street, the very next day I believe (the day after I caught them with my car cover). And when I did I bolted to the drugstore to buy a throw-away camera. After I left the drugstore a little later in the day I saw them on Garnet Avenue. And when I did I got off my bike, walked up to them and started snapping pictures of them. And those are the pictures I can’t find right now. I hope to find them later, if not, wow, I’ll be disappointed cause I like photos of the old days.
PM: So after the film was developed and you got the newly developed pictures back from the drugstore did you post them to some telephone poles around the neighborhood?
PM: Why not?
TX: Back then you sometimes had to wait a week or so for the drugstore to develop the film. So I had to wait a week – then again maybe they were ready 24 or 48 hours later but for whatever reason it took me a week to pick them up from the drugstore. And during that week I never saw those two men again. It was during that week that I came to conclude that those two men had basically said “Adios” and left Pacific Beach. That’s why I never posted them around the neighborhood.
PM: Why do you think they left the beach community? Do you think you scared them off?
TX: How would I know? I don’t know. Maybe during that week, the week that I was waiting for the film to be developed, one of them won the Lotto, split the money in half, bought two mansions in Beverly Hills, and the rest is history. Then again, yeah, maybe they didn’t like the fact that a cop who looked like Dennis Weaver had treated them like two bad little boys and a citizen, a motivated, inspired citizen with a camera had all of a sudden taken a keen interest in them. They could have left the beach community for any number of reasons.
PM: What do you say to people out there who are skeptical that you were able to verify they had left town? I mean, San Diego’s big, there are millions of people who live in San Diego.
TX: Wow, that’s a good question, but it’s one that involves a lot of answers. First off, when it comes to any accusations or statements that I make on your blog it’s time for me to say this: polygraph exams are relatively inexpensive nowadays. I’ll pay for the polygraph exam and we’ll meet at the examiners place of business. If I pass the test then you pay me three times the amount of the test, if I don’t pass the test you don’t pay a dime. The fact is Pacific Beach is a tight, compact, walk-to-everywhere type of community that has a fair amount of homeless people I call ‘regulars.’ A regular is someone you see all the time when you go out. I’m not agoraphobic – although I was agoraphobic for a little while due to mental trauma – but I’m not perpetually agoraphobic. And I’m not a couch potato. Meaning I get outside. Meaning I see all the regulars, the regular cast of characters, the usual suspects, be they homeless or not. I might also call a regular a ‘fixture.’ Add some people mights say that PB is a homeless person’s paradise. There are homeless regulars that have been around for 10 years that I’m aware of. Then there are the homeless regulars who all of a sudden drop off the face of the earth. You and I have been living in PB for 15 plus years, we both have a tendency to get outside, so we’re both familiar with the regulars.
(agoraphobic: abnormal fear of being helpless in an embarrassing or unescapable situation that is characterized especially by the avoidance of open or public places)
PM: I agree. I remember an old homeless regular who called himself ‘Paul the Poet,’ a tall, bearded, homeless man who went M.I.A. Anyway…
TX: It’s possible those two homeless men are still living in San Diego but on a different side of town. All I know is they left PB (Pacific Beach) a week later and when they did I never saw them again – so it’s been over 10 years since I last saw them.
PM: And then don’t forget we live right around the block from Garnet Avenue.
TX: That’s right. Garnet Avenue is not the main drag in San Diego. Garnet Avenue is the main drag in Pacific Beach. Garnet has a little color, a little flavor to it. Garnet, in a small way, reminds me of Haight Street up in San Francisco. And like Haight Street the homeless tend to ambulate up and down Garnet. Sometimes they’ll sit on the sidewalk and ask for money.
intr.v. am·bu·lat·ed, am·bu·lat·ing, am·bu·lates
To walk from place to place; move about.
PM: Okay. I want to remind young people who are reading this that back in the late 90’s digital cameras were not mass marketed like they are today and that meant you had to have a developer develop the film for you. Sometimes you could get the pictures back the next day, sometimes you had to wait a little longer. Anything you want to add?
TX: We need to end this session now I gotta go. I’ll try and find the images, I’m bothered by the fact that I can’t find them. They were just two young homeless men in their 20’s with backpacks on their back. I think one of them was wearing eyeglasses if I remember correctly. I may have some more things to add to this post and if I do it will be at my discretion, at any time. So there may be additional info added in the future from time to time.
PM: Right, you never did say how they reacted when you started taking pictures of them.
TX: Maybe I’ll talk about that later, as for now I’m outta time. I’ll end this by saying that if you in some way associate with Ray Nardone or Inga Nardone keep in mind that they are a slanderous couple who try and make certain good tenant’s out to be bad tenant’s. If you’re the type of person who thinks lying is a gift then make no mistake about it Ray Nardone and Inga Nardone are two gifted people a man like Bernie Madoff would have loved to have had on his side.
PM: I hear ya.
TX: And one more thing: I don’t like sharing this story or any of the photos – not at all. To me this story is no big deal – it’s not something to brag about. I’m only sharing it with the Internet community because I’m dealing with two apartment managers, a Management group and a few tenants who sympathize with Management or aid and abet Management, a literal gang of people, who are causing me trouble by spreading misinformation, slandering my name, and trying to provoke or intimidate me. It’s like a mini-witch hunt, a smear campaign, orchestrated by two devoutly religious people: Ray Nardone and Inga Nardone. Look…I don’t party. But I ain’t lookin to come off lookin like Scott Chipman, the local PB guy who had a strong hand and a strong voice in shutting down the PB Block Party, shutting down the medical marijuana dispensaries, and banning alcohol on the beach. If I wind up finding the pictures of those two homeless men I’m going to have you block out their faces with Photoshop so no one can see who they are.
TX: Because people change, people make mistakes and maybe, just maybe, those two homeless guys changed for the better, and outin’ them by showing their faces would not be the right thing to do. Outin’ Management and outin’ the Nardone’s with your blog is the right thing to do.
PM: Got it…good luck finding those old pics and thanks for your time.
: TENANTX FOUND PICTURES OF HIS OLD MUSTANG. THE PICTURES SHOW THE LIGHT TAN CAR COVER. THEY’LL SOON BE PUBLISHED TO THIS POST. HE HAS YET TO FIND THE PICTURES OF THE 2 THIEVES, THE SEARCH CONTINUES FOR THOSE PICTURES.
: TENANTX FOUND THE PICTURES OF THE 2 THIEVES. THE FACE OF EACH MAN WILL BE BLOCKED OUT AND THEN PUBLISHED TO THIS POST PROBABLY SOMETIME LATER TODAY.
PM: Describe what took place in this photo.
TX: This photo, like all the other images in the post titled ‘Potential Bad Guy Caught On Camera At TenantX’s Apartment Complex’ was shot while I leaned over my patio balcony. Here you see him take notice of me for the very first time. Up to that point in time he had been searching all around the inside of my neighbor’s car. At this point, when I snapped the photo, he is sitting straight up in the drivers seat. By the way this incident occurred in the early part of the morning when none of the businesses that line the alleyway were open for business. I think there are approximately 12 or 13 boutiques, hair salons, restaurants, nail salons, coffee shops, banks, etc, etc, that are in that particular alley.
PM: What happened in this photo?
TX: In this photo he actually leans his body and head out of the car a little and shoots me a look as if to say ‘Hey is someone actually taking pictures of me, what the heck?’ although I wish you’d cropped the image because then, with a cropped image, you’d be able to see the angle of lean a little better. Shoot… why didn’t you crop the image?
PM: No time to do that right now, maybe I’ll crop it and then repost the revised, cropped image at a later date.
PM: And so this must be one of the thieves…
TX: Yes it is… I’ll refer to him as Thief #1 and if you know PB then you’ll instantly recognize Bayard Street and Bank of America in the background, this image was captured on Garnet Avenue. It was taken long before cell phones became a must have item, when only a very small minority of people owned a cell phone and several years before you could buy a cell phone that had a camera built into it. The picture was taken on Garnet at around 9am in the morning at a time of day when there is very little pedestrian traffic and only a small amount of vehicular traffic. It was, essentially, for the most part, just me and them…
PM: You got a little close to him in this shot.
TX: That’s the yogurt shop in the background although back then it was not a yogurt shop. At this point we’re walking west toward Mission Boulevard away from Bayard Street, although we’re still located on Garnet Avenue right in front of PB Bar and Grill.
PM: Okay. I’ll note that I’ll be posting pictures of Thief #2 tomorrow for you.
TX: Thanks, I appreciate the help your providing me with by posting my images. I appreciate the fact that you started a blog to fight the slander that Ray Nardone and Inga Nardone slander me with. Not all apartment managers are bad, I’ve had good one’s, actually I’ve had some very good one’s over the years. The level of dishonesty, deceit and lies that Ray and Inga Nardone employs is stunning. And so I appreciate the fact that you started a blog to fight an illegal eviction and speaking of stunning, I’m always a little stunned, even to this day, that you started a blog to fight dishonest people like Ray Nardone and Inga Nardone and the rest of their team at Diamond/Embassy Apartments who are trying to ruin 15 or 16 years of good rental history.
PM: You’re welcome. I’ll note that TenantX has much more information to share. Information that will show the Nardone’s as people who have a habit of not telling the truth. Information that will show unprofessional and blatant incompetency on their part despite their ‘professional’ apartment manager job title. Information that will show several tenants who have aided Ray and Inga Nardone and have committed some very foolish acts against TenantX.
PM: Okay… here we are with Thief #2. Once again WOW you got up close to this guy just like you did in the pictures you took of Thief #1.
TX: Yes I got a little close but I can’t answer any of your questions about these images until a later date.
PM: Yes I’ve got questions about the images you captured of Thief #2, you bet I do.